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The Problem With William's Verbier Lunch

Tuesday, March 14, 2017

What a day! To start with, I like William a lot. Anyone who has read this blog, even intermittently, knows that I am a big fan of his. And you all know that I firmly believe the Cambridges’ marriage is rock solid.  Nevertheless, that does not make this weekend ok. William has learned a hard lesson today, proving that no matter how savvy, every now and again we all take the occasional tumble and add a notch to the belt of life’s tough lessons that lead us toward that blessed goal of aged wisdom. :)



There were competing stories this afternoon surrounding the facts, with one source claiming that William and his friends lunched with two blondes and another claiming that they lunched with two blonds plus those girls’ boyfriends. I have communicated with royal reporter Emily Andrews, whose paper had a reporter in Verbier investigating, and she has confirmed that the boys were not at the lunch with the royals. The pictures seem to corroborate that. It was the royal party and these two jet-setting blondes.  The boyfriends, while in town, were not at lunch.

The framing of the story was bad. The media looked into the background on these women and hit gold when it emerged that one of them is an erstwhile model of some sorts who has a particular proclivity for topless photos. So, the pictures of William bundled up to ski were juxtaposed against racy pictures of one of the models wearing, well, basically nothing. Was it fair to frame the story around this woman’s topless photos? Maybe not, but it is also par for the course. More importantly, the veneer—the framing—isn’t the most important aspect. Looking past the tawdry photos to the simple slope-side lunch and say emphatically, this was a mistake.



As old fashioned as it might sound, the problem is the scandal. People aren’t crazy to wonder why William and his pals would elect for a boys weekend, perfectly fine in itself, but then seek out the company of beautiful young single women.  That these two had boyfriends—elsewhere, not present at the lunch—isn’t something that makes it better. Had these girls been chums from the royal circle whom William and his friends happened to bump into in Verbier, no one would have blinked. I had no problem when William flew to Africa to hunt with friends, among whom was Jecca Craig. It isn’t that William, as a married man, cannot socialize with other woman. It is that William, as a married man shouldn’t look like he is flirting with excitement while on an ostensible boys weekend. It doesn’t matter if you and I trust him or if Kate trusts him. The optics are bad, and frankly in terms of human nature, it isn’t particularly prudent on his part. 

There is the second concern, that of actual infidelity. Before you you run off, I don’t think that was an issue this weekend, but it could be one day and it gets people wondering now. No one, literally no one, is immune from temptation and infidelity. If emotions and passions were controlled by a rational switch that we could choose to flip on or flip off, there would be far fewer divorces. People are made of flesh, happily, and we are made to be drawn to each other. Because I know someone will take this to an extreme, I am not suggesting we are all combustible tinder-boxes, but I am saying, don’t be stupid. It is this fundamental understanding of human nature that creates the element of scandal for those wise enough to appreciate human frailty. Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from scandal are the two take aways of this unfortunate photo set.


The key today is that William ended up—how, no one knows, maybe one of the other guys wanted to hang out with the girls, or maybe the girls crashed the table and the royal party went with it—but, he ended up in a situation that made reasonable people raise their eyebrows. He should avoid such situations; it isn’t hard to do. Because even though there was no impropriety with William, as his inept, but charming dance moves testified to, he has created tension where none should exist.

Finally, the assumption that Kate takes this all with some blasé toss of her luscious locks is also naïve or ignorant of human nature. Anna Ferris, Chris Pratt’s beautiful wife, once talked about her reaction to the false rumors that her husband was cheating on her. She said she was surprised by how much it stung. Both celebrities and politicians' wives have admitted that even false rumors can cause strain. It is hard enough to live your life in the public eye, but to fight rumors of this nature must be exhausting and not in an area you want exhaustion or tension. Kate knows that all is well in her marriage, but it is still a struggle to fight perception, which often becomes reality in the mind of the public. This is not a news story with which the princess should have to struggle.



Does William have to give up his guy weekends away? No. Does he have to wall himself off from every woman he knows whose name isn’t Kate Middleton? No. All he has to do is stop and think, fair or not, what will this look like on the front pages tomorrow?  How will it impact the woman I love? How will it reflect on the institution of which I am heir? 


When you have something precious, you guard it. You put a coaster on your antique coffee table. You cover your art from direct sunlight when you leave on vacation. You are careful of your reputation. You guard your spouse’s heart from hurtful comments. That’s what we do with the things and the people we love; we take care of them. I know that William’s first and most important life mission is to take care of Kate and his precious children. I think of the day in 2012 when Kate had been particularly hurt by the release of terribly invasive personal photos from a trip to France. William’s anger toward the press was contrasted by his sweet tenderness to the Duchess throughout the day. I know that a gaffe like this weekend’s was unintentional and will not be repeated.


Ultimately, we all make mistakes. We make mistakes every day. Some are public and some are private, some are large and some are small, but we all spend our lives making progress and suffering setbacks.  Today was a setback for William, but "tomorrow is another day," and as it happens, William gets to pick himself up and move forward in the city to which I flee when I have fallen and need to rise again. So, as we put to bed a rough day, I look forward to seeing you all in Paris for our favorite couple's first trip together to the City of Lights and the City of Love where we are sure to see them illuminate their trip with their vitality and with their love. 

234 comments:

  1. Jane, I agree with your comments 100%. What I couldn't believe when the story first broke, was William's lack of judgement. He is not a stupid man, and must have known this would tabloid heaven. Is he that arrogant, and feeling entitled to do as he pleases? I really think he loves his wife and family, so as you so aptly observed, he should protect them from this kind of embarrassment. This will pass, and they are headed to my husband's and my favorite city this weekend. Thanks for your thoughts❤️

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    1. EXACTLY... I agree with you both 100% and stand firmly with my immediate reaction yesterday: he should have known better!! One would assume these guys all have the means to organize private parties within their trusted circles to relax, drink and "dance off"... after all, William is no longer 20... and, as Jane so aptly made us see, Catherine deserves better! Best regards, Anna

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    2. EXACTLY... I agree with you both 100% and stand firmly with my immediate reaction yesterday: he should have known better!! One would assume these guys all have the means to organize private parties within their trusted circles to relax, drink and "dance off"... after all, William is no longer 20... and, as Jane so aptly made us see, Catherine deserves better! Best regards, Anna

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    3. Jane, and all you other (presumably ladies:)) couldn't agree with you more. When something is sacred, there is a natural boundary on what is acceptable so no one, not your wife, random fan, yourself, or public, has any misconceptions of lines. Polite but, firm, "nice to meet you ladies, good luck on the slopes" and done. He is young and his father was no role model, (sorry, going there) so I hope that this is his chance to have that internal reaction, "Oh that wasn't right" and grow from it. I humbly believe, there is trust in a relationship or not, and if there is, when you screw up, you get a chance to grow. From the dynamics of what they have, I assume there is a lot of trust there so, maybe this is his "d'oh" move and chance to get better. Yay for maturity. :)

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    4. The Queen will not be pleased.

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  2. He did nothing wrong and dancing(alone) is a good way to release stress.

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  3. Jane I love your paragraph about protecting what is precious in life.

    And I'll repeat a comment from the last post. This is by no means a crisis, but it makes people wonder, Who is the Real William?

    William has made repeated excuses about why he can't do more royal work. He wanted to be an aa pilot, then it turned out he wasn't there as much as we were led to believe. Then there was the bizarre line that he couldn't work because Brussels rules mandated time off between flying. A claim which was quickly refuted and made KP look pretty stupid. Then there were the stories that he's just trying to be the best family man he can be and give his children what he didn't have, more time with their father.
    But we've seen he has no problem taking off from family and air ambulance when it suits him.
    He's done a lot that he deserves credit for, yes, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve blame here.
    It's ok to be critical of him at times. When he wasn't going to be at commonwealth day people assumed he'd be working. Or maybe holed up in Norfolk. Nope. About as far away from all of that as you can get.
    This is a PR disaster, incredibly poor judgment, a pull back the curtain moment, whatever you want to call it. It's bad.
    And Jane is right, it's just bad luck for William that the waitress or bar tender he was lunching with happened to be a topless model which is making great stories and pics for the tabloids.
    But William brought this on himself and it's damaging.He is losing credibility fast. Not to mention I'm sure Kate is doing more than cringing at his dance moves. The entire family's been embarrassed here.
    It's not the greatest crisis ever but it is very damaging to William and his public persona. And will completely overshadow Paris.

    By all accounts William is a good husband and father. He's working as a pilot - sometimes, we can never be sure - but he deserves credit for that. And for his charitable work. But people who do good things can do some bad and stupid things and this was one for William.

    And like Jane, even Kate and Williams fans should be able to see that.

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    1. Agree, Anon at 9:10pm. But I would go further. This is far from the first time that William has ditched his wife and kid/s for a weekend away--weddings, hunting, shooting, surfing easily come to mind. And ALL include other females. Further, this is not a group of upstanding citizens with whom William has chosen to spend his time. Guy Pelly, for example, has managed and owned drinking establishments--not in itself bad--who has, at least twice, been cited for driving under-the-influence, and been penalized; Tom Van Straubenzee managed to blow his marriage, and find himself divorced within two years of tying the knot, etc. Tends to lend credence to William's bad judgment, eh? Then, of course, there's the humiliation heaped on Kate--whether or not William cheated, the insinuation was there--, and all of this tends to make a mockery of William's PR press--just where does his love and protection of Kate fit in?

      The best that can be said of this sorry episode is that William is a fool--no surprise there; he's a Windsor, after all--the worst is that Kate ought to be laying plans re how and when to obtain a divorce.

      And lastly, I must disagree with you re William being a good husband and father; that's just PR. But when have you seen William, in candid pap shots, with his kids? I never have, altho I've seen plenty of Kate with her kids, and a few of them with her Mum. And weekends like this should alert people to fact that William is a pretty crappy husband. (15 years with Diana, 20 years with the Windsors, their courtiers and their spin--work it out.)

      I think that the one thing which really annoyed me, tho, was that William, who ordinarily tries to ignore the paps, was all broad smiles, staring straight into the camera. He really let down the side there, letting his ego have its way.

      I could go on, but it seems pointless. Suffice it to say that my cup of tolerance for William runneth over--he is now relegated to the runoff in the basin of intolerance.

      JC

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  4. I can't agree with you Jane. What a beat up over such a non-story. And the presumptions made that these two women (who have done nothing wrong) are somehow a threat or imagined threat to fidelity. Wow! Wasn't it just International Womens Day?! Why do the women become the story. They were at the lunch table in an open public space.

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    1. It was just International WOmen's Day, yes. How is that relevant? The story isn't about the women. It is about a judgment error on William's part.

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    2. Thank you for your response Jane. The story in the Daily Mail had so many photos of the two women in bikinis or topless and the story became about the women. (No photos of any of the men around the table).

      Is it the company he kept or the fact he went away for the weekend that is the real story? If it is the fact he went away when he should have been with his Grandmother at the Commonwealth service, then the women he lunched with are irrelevant. And the trip has nothing to do with his marriage. Or Catherine.

      Also, I personally don't see it as a judgement of error on William's part. But if other people perceive it as an error of judgement, they seem to be (from the comments here and on other blogs) be very upset over his antics with the blonde women and how that is effecting Catherine and their marriage. So in that case, it does become about the women.

      There have been many long bows drawn between the photos published and the personal state of William and Catherine's marriage. Conclusions that would not have be drawn had the women not been at the lunch table. Reading the Daily Mail should come with a reader's warning.... they are sensationalists!

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    3. Jane
      Have to agree.
      As I said to two of my closest friends this morning re: William - dumb decision, complete lack of foresight on his part and a thought in when will he grow up. I don't think that there was anything sinister about the women at the lunch table other than too much alcohol was consumed and he didn't think "how will this look on the front page of The Sun" "what will Granny / Papa / Kate think if they see this"
      Stupid. Childish. Laddish and not becoming of the future King as that video will be around for years and what will Charlotte say when she's 15 and it reappears?! :-)
      I do disagree with some of the comments regarding "the Windsors" and likening the marriage of William and Kate to Diana and Charles - come on!!
      By the way I saw your exchange with Emily, Jane re: The Sun - which is famous in the UK for its page 3 "tits" picture and not its journalism!
      It was a dumb thing to do and if he wants to go skiing fine but William stay off the piste! And do grow up.

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    4. Hi Simone and Cara,

      You highlight an important point that I'd like to answer.

      The issue is that William drank and gave a high five to the model. As a husband, this was over-friendly behavior. Talking, eating together, not thrilling, but the guys and girls went separate ways after lunch. It was the over-familiar behavior that was a wrong choice for Will-- he should have set a more courteous but neutral boundary. Just like Robin Thicke, he didn't send a clear unspoken "I'm ,married therefore unavailable" message.

      All my best,
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    5. Hi S,
      I'm very surprised you feel that it is overly familiar for a married man to have drinks in a group setting and high five a person of the opposite gender. Do other readers feel that way? As a married person I wouldn't feel that way nor do I know any other married persons in solid relationships that do. I do know people that are dating that would feel that way because their relationship is not secure.

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    6. Ellen, a lot of us think like Jane that married men can chat and interact with women in many ways, but a Lads Weekend where as Jane says single strangers (not friends from their set) are interjected is not ok. I wonder if people who can't make the distinction truly don't see it or pretend not to. I don't know id that was S's point, but it is clearly Jane's and I agree with it.

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    7. Hi M, I agree that being overly familiar with strangers of the opposite sex isn't appropriate. I guess everyone has their own line of what is too familiar based on the trust and security in their relationship. Would I have an issue if my husband was dancing closely or in an intimate conversation with someone single and good looking that was new...yes. Would I have an issue with him sharing a table, chatting and giving a high five with someone that may or may not know mutual people? No way. But everyone relationship is different so the line is different for everyone.

      We have no idea what William and Catherine's relationship is like. My guess is that based on the longevity of it and some of the things they have had to deal with that it is pretty solid so I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't bother her. Hopefully it doesn't.

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    8. Cara
      Agree with your take. Also disagree that he was being overly friendly with some friends. To me this is a non story on any level and for anyone but especially Kate and William.

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    9. I don't understand? He had lunch with blond strangers and gave one a high five? Is that the only time they interacted? During lunch? I feel like I am missing some of the story here. Why is this a scandal? Would it be a scandal if the women were not blond or models? I am really missing the point here. Why is this inappropriate?

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    10. Anon 3:15pm. No, if these blondes had been friends, like Chelsy Davy or a neighbor's wife from Norfolk. No big deal. There would be an obvious reason. But, yeah, there is a problem when you are on a boys weekend and seek out the company of single party girls. At least, there is a problem if you want to avoid the reasonable scandal that follows from people who can understand how that behavior COULD lead to infidelity at the worst, and certainly wagging tongues at best.

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    11. Apparently he met the one at the nightclub the night before and invited her to join them for lunch the next day. She asked her friend to come along cos she didn't want to go alone.
      I've read in several of the books that William was known to have a roving eye in college and in his 20's and it was something Kate was aware of and struggled with and gave him an ultimatum several times not to embarrass her.

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    12. Hi Ellen,

      I was agreeiby with Jane that giving a high-five to an attractive younger woman who's stranger doesn't mean Will's cheating but sets up raised eyebrows rather than having a drink with the girls at lunch. It's an unspoken rule when you're married, you limit physical contact like hugs etc to friends. Hugs while at charity functions, fine because it's professional.

      Point is, Will shouldn't act like his irresponsible posse. It was so easily prevebtible. And now this second video. Bad choices snowball. If he'd thought about and respected boundaries during the day, he probably wouldn't have acted like an idiot at the club. S

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  5. Jane, I completely agree with you. 100%. It actually breaks my heart a little that this happened. I remember Anna saying that, and have heard similar stories before. Your comments on how he should have thought how it would make Kate feel and protecting what is special are some of the biggest reasons this was a huge mistake on his part.

    As I said in your last post, my heart goes out to Kate. Whether it plants a seed of doubt within her or just the public embarrassment. i don't know how she feels about what she did, but I guarantee she is impacted by everyone knowing what he did and how it's been framed for the world to see.

    I know you like William and I like how you are trying to reaffirm our faith in their marriage with those photos of who we want and still hope the Cambridges are.

    I also can't help but compare this to Ben Affleck admitting today he was he just completed rehab (again). Another man who married a wonderful woman who is/was patient with his struggles and loves him anyway. (Note: to date Ben and Jennifer have not filed for divorce so I struggled with tenses)

    ~ A

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  6. I'm a mega fan of the blog but this post makes me sad. William did nothing wrong, the media culture did. They insinuated there could be infidelity. Of course that could sting a spouse. It at the same time, a solid marriage won't allow doubt to creep in. It's very different from a dating relationship or a not solid marriage. I feel sorry that people out there feel that William needs to possibly be rude to strangers or acquaintances on his private time because he doesn't have a dossier on their background or because they are merely younger and also female. The press put 2 and 2 together and made 10. It's just all sad.

    I also don't understand why people treat William as the heir. He isn't, Charles is. There is no need to have him attended everything; Charles surely doesn't. If the queen wanted him to attended, he would be there. We don't know if at times he is asked not to attened because the younger royals eclipse most of the older ones.

    This whole situation just very much boggles my mind. I very hope that Williams takeaway is that the press stinks and that he just needs to keep on being himself and not change himself because of them.

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    1. Precisely my thoughts, Ellen. It's one thing to admit that William could do better by timing his trips better in the future, but quite another to insinuate that he did something wrong. Relationships are based on trust, not restrictions. That tabloids are trying to create scandal out of this speaks more about the tabloids than it does about William.

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    2. I totally agree with you, Ellen! William does not have to attend every formal Royal function and is entitled to a boys weekend away - just because 2 women came up to his table and were hanging out with him and his friends doesn't mean that he was unfaithful, or is going to be unfaithful. I think Kate is very secure in their relationship and won't bat an eye at this. It is the press that has blown this up to epic proportions and made it look like he did something wrong. On the flip side, William does know that everyone has cameras and could have been a little more away of it, but we are all human and I guess he was just having fun, which he is entitled to do.

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    3. I think everyone is aware William is not the average man.His situation warrants that he must be aware of the people he spends time with, and yes, in a sense, have a dossier on their background. Weren't we told as children never to speak to strangers? He isn't a child anymore, and has plenty of possibilities to socialise in a safer way than letting total strangers partake of a weekend with his best friends where he is unguarded and spontaneous. There is a political side to his live also, remember.

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    4. Ellen, I agree.

      Looking forward to Paris!!

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    5. Any infidelity insinuation is only part of the issue. A bigger issue in my opinion is the optics of the future heir to the throne seen partying rather than attending the commonwealth service at a time of great political tension for his country. It has quite a whiff of "let them eat cake". Very poor judgment from the future king.

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    6. Hi H, thanks for your reply. Yes, you are right, I do teach my son not to talk to strangers but as an adult I do it all the time. How many times have any of us been with a group of friends and a friend of a friend came by we didn't know or even that you struck up a conversation with the people seated near you? To be that happens on a daily basis. William is in a pickle if he talks to others or if he doesn't. If he walked away and was rude or didn't go on this trip at all there would be headlines about that too! Do you all remember a few months or so back when there were headlines about how Will didn't go out with his friends or to weddings anymore because he would just stay home with Kate and the kids. He can't win. I know that is part of the job but it does make me feel sorry for him in this situation.

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    7. I completely agree! This whole thing just makes me sad. He did nothing wrong!!! I would bet that most of the commenters who are married have no problem with this, and the ones that aren't have the problem. I could care LESS if my husband was photographed high-fiving a girl in a GROUP setting, and then videoed dancing by HIMSELF. I would actually laugh. This uproar, and even people saying that he made a mistake and should be more careful is laughable and sad at the same time. Because you're married and also happen to be in the public eye doesn't mean you can't ever touch someone else or be seen fraternizing with someone of the opposite sex. Give me a break! This is also why the royals try to keep everything private and have to go above and beyond, because of people like this, who make stories out of nothing and try to put a negative spin on everything. So sad. God forbid Kate ever goes on a girls weekend and is photographed high-fiving a guy sitting at the table with her friends! This is so ridiculous, I just can't....🤦🏼‍♀️

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    8. Well said, Clare! I do understand the argument more about timing of the trip/location. While William wasn't skipping out of his royal duties by not attending the Commonwealth service (he wasn't scheduled to attend) when he is seen on vacation during something that many deem to be important is one of the things he unfortunately has to be mindful of. Sadly a different weekend or less visible location is what is probably best given the scrutiny the poor man has to deal with. Although, I don't think he is dumb, I think he has a "doesn't care" attitude at times because he wants to be able to be normal and does have a great distaste for the press and rightly so.

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    9. William didn't need a take away message that the press stinks - he already knows that. That's why putting himself in a public situation such as this shows a complete lack of judgement. He knows what the press does with this type of thing and he took no thought about how it would embarrass Kate to see the salacious headlines. It's been reported over and over that Kate does not like Guy Pelly because of his lack of judgement and poor influence on William and this isn't going to remedy that situation. I'm sure HM isn't overly pleased either. This will completely overshadow their trip to Paris because every pap is going to be watching them for any sign of strain and blow up every look. Bad, bad judgement on William's part.

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    10. I was thinking the same thing, Robin. Starting with the Irish Guards and throughout the Paris trip, their body language is going to be analyzed ad nauseam. Unfortunately, this ski weekend is really going to cast a grey shadow over the upcoming tour imo.

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    11. Ellen, I agree he cannot win. But he should have learned to be cautious. He is representing a whole country, he cannot afford to make random acquaintances.It is too bad he cannot, but that's how it is. This has nothing to do with the women themselves. But there is always the risk such a random meeting being orchestrated by an interested and perhaps dangerous party. He is perfectly aware of that.He cannot be vulnerable that way. It would have been different if the girls and their boyfriends had been friends or friends of friends, but from all reports they just went ahead and talked to him. Lack of judgement, as Jane says, but also lack of common sense and basic caution.

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    12. In my opinion, he has done something wrong. He's a married man living a privileged life in the public eye. He doesn't gain anything (as far as I can see) from spending time having lunch sigh much younger, apparently single girls. If he wants to get away with his friends, even missing out on a public event, fair enough. We don't know all the work he does and I think that's ok. But he didn't, in any way, need to socialise with random people when out with friends. If this was my husband I would be furious and he with me. That's not because I don't trust him. I do. But going away from me and our young children to see friends I'm fine with... to boost his ego by hanging around with much younger girls who are clearly regulars on the party scene? Why?!

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  7. Jane, I should also thank you for the time and effort you've put into these two posts. I don't think anyone foresaw it being such a busy, emotional day.

    ~ A

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  8. Well, I'm a private citizen-an American. Married nearly 32 years. William has special pressures, I know. But really, haven't we grown past the whole sexualized man-woman thing? Can't we just enjoy one another's company? In my opinion, one can be monogamous but still enjoy the company of the opposite sex. Really surprised that this is an issue.

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    1. I agree; one can still be monogamous and committed to their spouse and enjoy socializing with the opposite sex. What is very different for me, is what is the point of a lads/boys weekend if you're inviting younger, beautiful women to join you?
      ~ A

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    2. Well if they are friends then so what. But also I thought it was established that the women were on the trip with their significant others, even if not with them at time of the photos. Finally were the ladies and their significant others specifically invited to join Guy and William or just there along with others. i.e. often for trips people put out a general "hey we will be skiing this weekend at xxx" anyone want to meet up let us know" This email/phone/test goes out to 10 -15 people, married, single etc. Those who can join do, some without spouse or dates, some with, some long time friends some new. I just think there is much much speculation going on and to me at least the photos are no big deal. But as some have said there are some people that would find this uncomfortable behavior from their spouse and I guess you would have a talk with you spouse on their return about your behavior expectations.

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    3. I agree, ~A. When I go on "girls trips" with my friends it's for pure girl time. (And heaven help the husband who calls if the house isn't actually burning down!)

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    4. Exactly, Robin!! :-)

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  9. I agree with your thoughts Jane. I hope that Prince William, rather than railing against this as a media/tabloid beat up, accepts this was a really bad look and avoids it again in the future.

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  10. I completely agree with everything you said, but especially here: ”The optics are bad, and frankly in terms of human nature, it isn’t particularly prudent on his part.”

    I've lived long enough to know that sometimes even if someone isn't looking, opportunity presents itself and one thing leads to another. Not saying that happened here, I don't think it did, but it looks bad. Also, from what I've read about Guy Pelly (which may or may not be true) I feel like one day he WILL take advantage of an "opportunity". William would do well to be nowhere in the vicinity when that day comes.

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    1. Guy Pelly is married with a pregnant wife. So is James Meade. Tom van Straubenzee is a very old friend. All these chums are good friends of Kate. The ladies who lunched with them were either engaged or living with a boyfriend, both of whom have met William and his friends. Optics matter, but honestly, fair is fair. William did no more than share a table than them.

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    2. And Tom van Straubenzee, or whatever his name is. Those Wales boys have lots of not so great friends.

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    3. Kate is not really friends with these guys. They are William's friends and I suspect she tolerates them. Although, she really doesn't tolerate Pelly at all. They are part of the group that has made fun of her mother.

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    4. Exactly anon 7:13. They are all not Kate's friends. Maybe Will might learn that being around these clowns is nothing but trouble and make some better ones. S

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    5. Ditto Anon 7:13 and Anon 9:09 ~ Kate tolerates them, particularly Guy. It is well known, I feel, that she is not his fan.

      Leslie ~ I think the Wales boys have a lot of "not so great friends", because they all have money and high society that enables their attitudes and protects them. If they weren't wealthy and well groomed...

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    6. Here in England most of those families are known to be massive snobs so I don't blame Kate for avoiding the lot of them. But it was Charles' set and the next generation is now William's which should tell you something about the Wales men. I was always amazed a well to do girl like Kate needed or wanted any of these entitled prats to be honest.
      Quite a few people are quite pleased about Harry, almost like his mum really, choosing well outside that Old Empire posh circle.

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  11. I do not say much these days. I read. But I agree entirely with your view Jane. Brava for being one of few bloggers who is honest in your comments about making mistakes as we all do BUT not flogging William and sending him to the Tower.

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    1. Good to see you, Diane! Your comments are missed!

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  12. I wasn't worried about any infidelity, though maybe that's naive on my part cos things happen, especially when you've been drinking.
    And this is nothing about whether a man and woman can have lunch!
    But this was just a bone headed move, everyone should be able to see that. There are really tense times inGB right now. I agree with another poster who said I'm not worried about William the husband it's William the heir. Great line by the way. (Sorry I should go back and see who said that!!!!!!)
    I remember obama went yukking it up on the golf course after making a speech about a dead American, and everyone went, well how sincere are you really? Same thing here in a way. It just doesn't look good. It doesn't mean we unload on William and hate him here on out, but this was a bonehead move!

    He knows there are tough times in Britain and it's commonwealth weekend. If he had been photographed just home or at his job that's one thing, but this didn't look good next to the pics of the other royals at the service. And then you add that he was offnon his own and thrownin some random women?
    Mr Magoo could see this is a mess in the making, come on.

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  13. I have to say I'm aghast at how people could judge a married man sitting on a table with three other married men and two ladies who had boyfriends! Yes, William should have known the tabloids will spin this, but that doesn't make this innocent interaction wrong, nor does it make him a bad husband or father. Not at the very least. Please stop adding malice. There is none.

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    1. Personally I think too many people are focusing on the salacious side, which is tabloid heaven, and not the public figure side, where I think the mistake was made. It looks bad not because of the women (IMO) but because it was miles away from where he could have and should have been, literally and figuratively, and adds to an idle image he hasn't been able to shake. It just doesn't look good.
      So that's what I think people are missing. I could give two figs about the rest.
      (Now if new video comes out by the time this posts that shows him grinding up against the women in the club I take it back, lol)

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    2. Yeah, but celebs who are married have sex with people who have boyfriends all the time. Just look at all of the married men and women in Hollywood, and in politics for that matter, who have cheating scandals. Just look at all the royals who have had cheating scandals in the past. So it's not like the idea that there could be something sinister going on is far flung.

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    3. I agree with anonymous just above me! Exactly!

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    4. Renny, this is the aspect that I find so appalling in both the tabloid news and the many of the discussions about the "news".

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    5. Well new video is out the sun got the exclusive showing William and Sophie in some dirty dancing so lol looks like I actually have to walk back my "don't focus on salacious details" line !!

      lol William you are in trouble!

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    6. Anon 5:51 I had seen the new video with him and the brunette on the DM site...then just went to The Sun. I won't even "lol" about it...he's in trouble! Poor Kate has to go and act normal this weekend...
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  14. I live in America and can't take any more scandals. Goodnight.

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    1. I don't believe this is a scandal. I believe this is a media opportunity to sell papers.

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    2. Best comment tonight! I feel this way each time I see a Trump headline. :( Make it stop. I'm sure W & K will shortly return to their scandal free days, we need the escape.

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  15. Like you say, Jane, the problem here is the perception, the PR. It doesn't matter what actually happened, it matters what people perceive to have happened. And the perception is terrible here. William really should know better by now, since he's been dealing with the press for his entire life.

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    1. I agree Leslie. This was a mistake amateurs make. Not someone who has lived his life in the public eye and knows exactly what would happen if photos got out. Plus really bad timing! The Brits needed this during CW weekend like a hole in the head. Jeez!

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  16. 1. The only pictures I have seen is William sitting across from the girls, sitting between two of the guys. He wasn't getting cozy with them, no intimate conversation. Haven't seen any pictures of him physically close to them at all actually. Unless sitting at table with a group of people is suddenly something intimate or sexual.

    Should William have walked away from the table?????
    Should William have a rule with his friends that no females are allowed near him????

    2. Anna Farris had to deal with Chris Pratt's sudden fame after Jurassic Park and Guardians of the Galaxy and the scrutiny that comes with fame. Kate's been with William for almost 14 years. She KNOWS how the media is. She dealt with the Waity Katie stories for years. She's dealt with her mother being called a manipulative social climber for years. She's dealt with the William and ex girlfriend stories for years. I honestly doubt Kate pains attention or believes ANYTHING that the media writes at this point.

    3. My issue is with William scheduling this trip the same time as the commonwealth service. He could have gone ANY OTHER WEEKEND. The commonwealth service is a yearly event, he knew the date.

    William and Kate have a work shy reputation. For a while now the "I'm busy working as a pilot and focusing on family reasons" have become weaker and weaker excuses for doing so little royal duties. THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS!!!! They have increased their work schedule as a result. To suddenly not attend an engagement not because of family, not because of work, not because they had a prior commitment like a wedding or something, but because you just had to go skiing....SKIING!!! This is just a 1 step forward, 5 steps back situation.

    If this was Charles or Anne who do 500 engagements a year and keep a busy schedule all year round...Fine, go skiing if this is an available weekend for you. But William does NOT have a packed schedule. He should be trying to fill up his schedule more instead of the opposite.

    It just shows where his priorities are. This is a constant thing with him that royal duties are at the bottom of the pile, behind vacations. I wish I could skip work to go skiing. Most people would wish that they could skip work to go on holiday but they can't. Yet William receives all the benefits of being a royal but isn't held to any standard of responsibility for being a royal.

    I bet William will have any increasingly busier next few months to try to get rid of this story. I predict he'll do a lot of engagement in a short few days like he did last year after the whole "he only works 20 hours a week because he is required to rest" PR mess from last year.

    Overall this story will fade when they become full time royals in the fall but is was just such a stupid and unnecessary decision that brought back the "work-shy" headlines.

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  17. That I think m, Leslie, is his problem, he hates the press. He is rude to them and lacks grace. I used to think he was lovely- not any more and it really grieves me to say that . Linda

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  18. Firstly, I want to thank Jane for putting a thoughtful post out tonight. It is sparking some good discussion. Next, I'll add my two cents.
    1. Boys weekend- we all need some time off to unwind with our besties from time to time. But that's what a man cave at your friend's private estate is for.
    2. If you really need to ski while Granny is doing her thing, go somewhere a little off the beaten path. Klosters or Verbier are not the only resorts where the skiing is great and the paps won't be keen to find you.
    3. Unfortunately, your dance moves will follow you to the grave now. Every documentary on your life or upon your coronation will have that bit in it. Take a class. Better yet, learn to tango with Kate. She would kill it.
    4. Don't get upset if your wife does some serious flirting with sexy Frenchmen in Paris this weekend. Better yet, by her something nice at Cartier to get out of the doghouse. Worked for the Duke of Windsor.
    5. See a therapist and post that on your Heads Together website. Make peace with your destiny and the media. Your wife and kids will thank you, the monarchy will thank you, and the country will thank you.
    6. Tell Harry to get down on bended knee- the hoopla surrounding a Royal Wedding will give Will another year to get his head on straight.
    7. While I felt for Kate during the topless photo scandal, I was thinking if I were a future Queen, I'd never go topless. Same here with Wills. If you don't want to embarrass yourself, just don't do something silly unnecessarily. At least it wasn't naked billiards.
    8. Your work schedule just got jacked up. Hope this weekend was worth it.
    9. We all make mistakes. I am glad mine were not in the public eye. But quite frankly, we're all in the public eye now with Facebook, Iphones, et al. Grin and bear it.
    10. Do some extra babysitting for your wife. Do some extra knighting for Granny. You owe them big time.

    Now let's move on to St. Patrick's Day and Paris!!!! Cheers!

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  19. Its a very sensitive time for UK. Brexit, Scotland calling a 2nd referendum, issues with NHS, immigration, financial problems, ect. Its not exactly a good time to go on an expensive vacation especially since the relationship between KP and the press isn't that great to begin with. In addition, that there have been stories in the past of how workshy William is, and to an extent, Kate as well. This sort of tides in to what we were discussing a while ago regarding Victoria taking a vacation versus W/K. As well as the subject of the relationship between the press and W/K itself, and how much the couple actually work.

    In recent times, there has been the question of what purpose does the monarchy serve in the 21st century? There have been talks that when the Queen dies countries like Canada, NZ, and Australia will want to dissolve the monarchy. William and Kate are/were "billed" as the hope and future of the survival of the monarchy. If they don't seem to take their jobs seriously or with any due considerations, why should taxpayers continue to pay for their lifestyles? It all ties in; this may not seem like a big deal now, but in the long run it could be. There's nothing wrong with taking a weekend off, but it was just bad timing.

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  20. Her Mom is saying the lady worked at the nightclub too. So this wasn't just lunch??? I still don't think Wills is a cheater, but if this was more than lunch, all those guys have some explaining to do.

    And for those that say people are being too hard on him, what if Kate did this? Imagine the comments then.

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    1. Love your point. If Kate invited good looking guys to join her and some girls for lunch, there would be talk, too!

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    2. Not just good looking guys. Good looking guys who are a decade younger and underwear models. There would be tons of talk!

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    3. There would be talk but it would be just as silly.

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  21. Firstly, I want to thank Jane for putting a thoughtful post out tonight. It is sparking some good discussion. Next, I'll add my two cents.
    1. Boys weekend- we all need some time off to unwind with our besties from time to time. But that's what a man cave at your friend's private estate is for.
    2. If you really need to ski while Granny is doing her thing, go somewhere a little off the beaten path. Klosters or Verbier are not the only resorts where the skiing is great and the paps won't be keen to find you.
    3. Unfortunately, your dance moves will follow you to the grave now. Every documentary on your life or upon your coronation will have that bit in it. Take a class. Better yet, learn to tango with Kate. She would kill it.
    4. Don't get upset if your wife does some serious flirting with sexy Frenchmen in Paris this weekend. Better yet, by her something nice at Cartier to get out of the doghouse. Worked for the Duke of Windsor.
    5. See a therapist and post that on your Heads Together website. Make peace with your destiny and the media. Your wife and kids will thank you, the monarchy will thank you, and the country will thank you.
    6. Tell Harry to get down on bended knee- the hoopla surrounding a Royal Wedding will give Will another year to get his head on straight.
    7. While I felt for Kate during the topless photo scandal, I was thinking if I were a future Queen, I'd never go topless. Same here with Wills. If you don't want to embarrass yourself, just don't do something silly unnecessarily. At least it wasn't naked billiards.
    8. Your work schedule just got jacked up. Hope this weekend was worth it.
    9. We all make mistakes. I am glad mine were not in the public eye. But quite frankly, we're all in the public eye now with Facebook, Iphones, et al. Grin and bear it.
    10. Do some extra babysitting for your wife. Do some extra knighting for Granny. You owe them big time.

    Now let's move on to St. Patrick's Day and Paris!!!! Cheers!

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    1. Love this list!:)

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    2. The perfect tone, and the perfect advice! I hope he reads it!!!! :)

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    3. haha, love it! Just as an additional detail to point 1, don't invite girls to said man cave!

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  22. Jane, wonderful, thoughtful post. Thank you for such excellent blogging.

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  23. One thing you don't touch on is the issue of the commonwealth service. Yes these pictures are terrible but that's on a personal/private level. This trip certainly causes an issue on that state level as well. I can understand W&K not attending the service, but it is once again terrible optics. He is the future head of the Commonwealth. IMO, it should have been skiing last weekend, no service or skiing this weekend, service. Andrew was in the exact same place and yet still made it back to London for monday + a week packed full of engagements. You know it's bad if it's Andrew over William.

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    1. Sydney, that is exactly right. If there is a big CW wide weekend going on, it probably would have been a good idea if William hunkered down at home if he was not going to attend.

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    2. Oh, geez. Yes, if Andrew is doing better than a future heir... *shakes head*

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  24. I agree with everything this article says. Very nuanced observation. The optics are BAD. And I like William.

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  25. Is the problem really the perception or what people would like to perceive? Let's face it, lots of people would actually enjoy a scandal of that nature because it simply would make their day. It's sad when you put it like that but's that human nature. Everyone is entitled to a little bit of fun and frankly lunch and dancefloor is far from cheating.Let's be the better (wo)man about it and ignore this.

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    1. Frankly, I think William handed this scandal to the press. He's not a normal guy and this is the result of trying to behave like one.

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  26. "Don’t be stupid. It is this fundamental understanding of human nature that creates the element of scandal for those wise enough to appreciate human frailty." Superbly said, Jane, as is this entire post leading to the two takeaways. Thanks so much. Katherine USA

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  27. Jane I think one of the real issues here is also the fact he missed the Commonwealth Day Service. He is the future monarch and as a result, it doesn't look particularly good if he's off partying and relaxing when in actual fact he has a duty to the Queen and the Commonwealth. It's disrespectful and to be honest, thoughtless. Shame no one in the Royal circle has the ability to tell William when he has made a serious lapse in judgement.

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    1. I agree- this is the big problem. William never puts duty first and with certain annual events like this, he should be able to attend every year. He is not very busy with either his royal duties or his part-time job as a co-pilot.

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    2. I agree, we shouldn't forget how missing the CW Day Service was a part of this. I think we hoped William was better than what he did to Catherine, their marriage and their family unit.

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  28. Duchess fan from DownunderMarch 15, 2017 at 4:08 AM

    Jane, I think a point you haven't touched on is the proximity to theCommonwealth Day activities and the timely return of his uncle - that's the greatest source of the tension.

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    1. Agree! I think that's more of an issur than this lunch.

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    2. Absolutely right, Duchess fan. When one's behavior is even worse than Andrew's, there's a problem.

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    3. I think it depends on your perspective. I care very much about Kate and the Cambridges union, and I think that will be his foundation for when he is Prince of Wales and the King. I think, at least for myself, I felt he was forging a new path that his marriage and family were his priority. He disrespected his family first, and shirked his responsibility to the monarchy/commonwealth. Double bad, but his behaviours towards Catherine and his family were worst.

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  29. The problem Jane is not that he is away on a boy's weekend but that he didn't go the commonwealth service. As future head of the Monarchy, it's not really ok. More a sign of disrespect to the public (who pay for them) and the Queen.

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  30. Jane, I think all of what you wrote is really well said and sums up how I feel about this.

    I also think there are two other really important points here, which were made in the previous post and which I totally agree with: first, it is difficult for William (and by extension, Kate) to put up privacy barriers around himself and his family's life if he chooses to be indiscreet in public -- the simple fact is that by lunching out with these two girls, the press is now even more likely to chase around after William hunting for another, similar, story; and, second, why on earth isn't the Commonwealth Service an event William and Kate regularly attend? There are frankly very few events in the Royal calendar that the two of them have made annual occasions, which I personally think is a problem in and of itself.

    While I understand William and Kate's the desire to dedicate themselves to their family in light of the duties that will ultimately fall on them, the fact is that they have been blessed with rare privilege and that rare privilege includes the fact that even if they picked up considerably more engagements than they have right now, they would still maintain the ability to spend more time with their children than the vast majority of working parents. It looks bad enough that they undertake less engagements than Queen, Prince Phillip and other senior royals, but it looks particularly bad when the time away from potential engagements is spent in the manner William did this weekend.

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  31. When William is out championing his causes against suicide, depression, bullying and on and on, I am constantly amazed at how in-touch with the common man he seems and how empathetic he is towards those who are marginalized by society. Then things like this happen and I'm reminded that he can easily jet off to the French Alps, a remote Carribean island or one of the many palaces or Grade II listed mansions to decompress, kick-back, relax, and live his life. Yes, he brings great awareness to causes that are important but somehow it loses it's torque when William does something so pompous as this. I know there are those who think he has the right and the privilege of being able to do whatever he chooses and there is some truth in that. I'm just saying that trying to live on both sides of that coin make for some conflicted feelings.

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    1. Well put, Laura! It does raise questions about the real commitment royals have towards their causes. I feel that way when I see him off hunting or shooting, right after appearing to "raise awareness" for the plight of wildlife. Personally I feel they should be doing MUCH, MUCH more than just appearing places, shaking some hands, making chatter, speaking a few words. I do believe awareness has been raised, and it's time for some practical application. They should be spending hours every day and week doing something concrete - for example helping pass legislation to protect people, changing bad laws, introducing laws to protect animals - not just show up to little parties in different outfits. Harry does a lot of hands-on work, it seems, he's my favorite royal at this point. If Will and Kate are serious about health, mental health, the environment and protecting animals they should try a plant-based life style. ;) There really is so much for them to actually DO!

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  32. Thank you Jane for a well-reasoned, articulate post. As the poster above said, focus should be on the senior Royal side, not on the tabloid fodder side. He let down the side.

    I hope St Patrick's shamrocks and the visit to the City of Light (not Lights) will put this quickly in the rear-view mirror.

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  33. I think it's so interesting that so many people here think this was overblown. Put yourself in Kate's shoes: how would you feel? I'm a reasonable woman married for a year and I would feel at least very annoyed. My husband hasn't maintained friendships with the DUI crowd from high school, the quick divorcers,etc. but when he hangs out with the crazier extended friends and acts in an embarrassing way, I'm displeased. And that's without any kids in the equation - or the press! I may not voice my displeasure and may cut him slack, but it doesn't feel good. I feel for Kate.

    I also think a previous commenter made a good point: where are the pap photos of Will and his kids at the farm, at the museum? I think he may have many of the same shortcomings that other Windsors have though Kate does a great job of carrying on. This isn't a good look, I'm sure it's not a great day in the Cambridge home.

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    1. I agree, Anon 8:52. You really are who you surround yourself with. Everyone has their struggles or makes mistakes (i.e. a bad marriage like Thomas...we also don't know how she may have brought out the worst in Thomas...two sides to every story). My husband and I, over the course of 6 years of marriage, have become closer and closer with our friends who have marriages/committed relationships that we admire. We don't spend as much time with people who repeatedly engage in relationship drama, party too much, flirt too much with others, etc.

      I believe Will & Kate love each other. Every couple has their own rythm...their own give & take...I think William gives Kate a lot of protection and freedom from the BRF to be a stay-at-home (works part time) mom. In turn, she has to give William things. I also think we have to remember we may not see William as hands-on as we want, but he is probably WAY more hands-on than any other BRF father to date. He doesn't have an example to follow. Look at how Kate grew up, and look at how Will grew up. He's probably very proud of himself, even though us "normal" people think he still isn't doing enough.

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  34. I'm so confused. Did he do anything but sit at a table and have lunch with a group of people, two of them women? I'm honestly asking, did I miss something?
    On any ski slope I have been to, the dining is usually super casual. Could he have skied down the slope, found friends already sitting to lunch, sat too and ate and then left? Maybe his friend(s) invited the girls and he didn't want to sit at a table by himself just because two girls were sitting at the table with his friends? Would he have known that one was a topless model? How could he have known that?

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    1. Said it multiple times above, but agree Anon 8:58.

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    2. I'm sure when Princess Charlotte grows up she is going to be happy to see videos of her father "relaxing" by drunkenly dancing with women who are not her mother.

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  35. Theresa. New YorkMarch 15, 2017 at 8:58 AM

    Jane,
    Sanctimonious, much? (Clutching my pearls).

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    1. Don't clutch too hard; if they are heirloom, they are liable to snap and scatter all over the floor. ;)

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    2. Its not sanctimonious to say that it was an error for someone whose life is constantly under surveillance to have lunch with women he's never met before, while on holiday without his wife. Nor is it sanctimonious to suggest that many men and women wouldn't be comfortable with their spouse/boyfriend/girlfriend doing what William did, much less want images of that behaviour making headlines around the world.

      It's totally the right of any man or woman not to care at all if their partner behaved the way William did. The simple fact, however, is that millions of people would mind. And pointing that reality out isn't sanctimonious (although suggesting, as you have done, that everyone needs to brush this aside and say it's no big deal, does smack of some sanctimony.)

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    3. Happened to me, Jane. Pearls all over the floor and the cat going crazy trying to chase them all. Ha! I was just wondering during the recent discussion of Kate, Diana, and pearls if the royal pearls are vulnerable. Especially Queen Mary's pearls. Are they all painstakingly restrung on fish line or piano wire? who gets this job-I feel sorry for the poor guy. Nice comeback, by the way.

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    4. They restring on string, at least I can not imagine stringing them on anything else. With pearls "maintenance" includes restringing when needed by your local jeweler. Not sure if the modern jeweler might not have a machine to do.

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    5. These days pearls should have knots tied between the pearls too so a break isn't a disaster. Not sure how long its been done that way but certainly for awhile.

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    6. Hi Jane, I'm pretty new to commenting. You have a terrific, thoughtful blog free of pearl clutching except from those who always keep one hand on. All of us free flyers just smile and wave. Keep on keeping on! S

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    7. These pearls were over 100 years old and had never been restrung. I kept them in a case and never wore them. They broke when I picked them up. I have noticed my newer costume pearls even have knots, lizzie. Thanks ali and lizzie for replying.--anon1

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  36. The bit I wrote yesterday disappeared into the ether, so I will try again.
    The tabloids started the weekend by reporting the William and Catherine were seeking planning permission to dig out the basement at KP to provide more space! Not true---but what is truth to the tabloids? The plan is for this work to be carried out at the orangery to provide much needed amenities such as kitchens etc and a deep basement for storage and showing of crown memorabilia.
    None of the media has withdrawn these reports, and William provided them with something else to report.
    One of the main complaints seem to be his absence from the Commonwealth Service, Surely 5 members of the family was enough
    I suspect KP had tried to stop the publication of pictures of Harry in Florida==the basement lie was the media response, until William provided them with something better.
    He hasn't committed any great sin: just has to remember what the press can make of anything at all.
    He should just remember that in a few years his children will be reading the reports. He must know what that is like as he must have suffered for that when the press were after his mother.

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    1. Jean you're at it again. I agree the headlines may have been misleading but you must not have read the ACTUAL ARTICLES either. The articles ALWAYS said it was under the Orangery for staff offices and wardrobe storage, in effort to "open up suites for members of the royal family."
      And it wasn't just the "tabloids" the Telegraph ran the piece too.

      Accuracy is important here too people!

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    2. Actually Jean is correct. Read the official statement from HRP for the actual purpose of the renovation.

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    3. Jean is not correct about the articles. From the Mail to Express to Telegraph they ALWAYS said the basement would go under the Orangery. The headlines were misleading why you shouldn't go by headlines. Feel free to go read the articles and find out for yourself.

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    4. Read Historic Royal Palaces statement about the intended renovations. That has more weight than all the tabloids you have listed as they are commissioning the work.

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    5. What the press said was wrong in that this is not at Kate and Williams request, nor is it to provide them with more rooms. Saying those things and then stating the actual use for the rooms without removing the caveat placed in the first paragraph is misleading at best. They still left the public with the impression that W&K wanted more space so everyone else is to move to the basement.

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    6. First paragraph in Telegraph:


      The tide was thought to have turned against controversial ‘iceberg’ mega-basements being dug beneath some of the country's most expensive neighbourhoods.

      But in the case of Prince William and his wife Catherine it appears that council planners might be willing to make an exception.

      Officials from Historic Royal Palaces (HRP) have applied to build a two-storey basement beneath the Orangery in the grounds of Kensington Palace.


      **Clearly says HRP made the application. The Mail broke the story and it's first graph said same thing. Beat up the press when they deserve it but this was reported accurately for anyone who took the time to read FULL article. Editors write headlines you can't go by headlines or a 140 character tweet.

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    7. 2.53 you don't get that this has nothing to do with W/K although the press has made it seem that way as Robin says. It is to provide new kitchens and facilities for the Orangery and new access to the Ceremonial Dress Collection. The statement also clearly states that members of the royal family have no involvement in the project.

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    8. 2:53- thank-you for proving Jean's (and my unpublished) point. The body of the article clearly states that the council seems to be making an exception for "Prince William and his wife Catherine." Not an exception for HRP. If that isn't mis-leading I wonder what you think would be.

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    9. Well Kensington Palace is their home.... The language is ambiguous enough to read in that HRP requested on the Cambridges behalf but also references the Orangery specifically. Depending on your personal prejudices it could be a sinister lie by the dastardly press or an attempt to make what is essentially a report about a zoning permit debate a bit jazzier by throwing in a royal reference.

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    10. From what I have read, the extra space is needed by HRP because the space they currently lease in KP will no longer be available to them because those rooms will soon be needed for the Cambridge & Harry staff as they relocate to KP and ramp up their royal work. So did the request come from HRP or W&K? Seems like splitting hairs and honestly who cares.

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    11. They're saying that exceptions are being made for the Duke and Duchess. Typical republican rhetoric. The HRP could find other storage and office space easily. Then there would be no need for the construction. It was a temporary arrangement for them to begin with. I am sure they knew as other royal family members grew up and moved away from home there would be a need for additional space. KP is a virtual old folks home for the royals as it is. Now the younger generation is moving in. Eugenie and Beatrice will likely settle there as well. Goodness knows there is enough royal palace space amongst them all. IT may be that security is more efficient having them in one area instead of spread around town. I don't know why B&E don't have their own security-or do they? I thought they had lost it.

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  37. I heard he came back on Sunday ND the service was on Monday. May be he had to be at the air pilot job that day. And that's why they were not scheduled to attend the service.

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    2. Jane - This is from Richard Kay story today.
      William left Thursday with 3 friends.
      They stayed in the penthouse apt of a luxury Verbier hotel, using hotel shuttle back and forth to slopes.
      Friday they spent day skiing.
      Saturday it was "party mode" according to Kay. Expensive dinner then on to the nightclub.
      They met Sophie and her boyfriend at that club.
      Sunday there was more skiing, then lunch.
      Sophie and her friend, the other woman, met them at lunch.
      Back to the nightclub that night where video of William dancing was taken.
      Sophie also claims she "lost" her iPhone that night.
      Staff say that William "did nothing to hide his identity" (this was weird to me)
      They partied till 1am Monday.
      While Commonwealth Service was under way Monday, William was getting in a few more runs prior to flight.
      Tuesday night he was back at air ambulance.

      Still don't know WHO invited Sophie to lunch. Sophie's boyfriend said she asked him if she should go and he said "sure it's prince William!!" Not sure if that implies it was williams invite.

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  38. Perception is a tricky thing. It can reveal more about the suspicions and prejudices of the person judging than the person being judged.

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  39. I don't mean to add fuel to the fire but I'm a little amused that in all the comments everyone's assuming what Kate thought or knew.
    So let me add one more that I think is fairly likely cos it's the most common.
    We don't know what William told Kate on the phone that night about what was going on. He wouldn't be the first to go out with the guys and flirt with some girls, he's human. But I'm guessing, like most other guys, on the phone he said "pretty boring night, we had a good dinner then just hung out drinking and catching up."
    He might have left out the detail of "oh we ran into these two hot girls at night and asked them to lunch the next day".
    And that's what I suspect happened cos it's how most men would play it! Nothing sinister just a white lie.
    Now BOOM! Kate wakes up to a front page of William and a barely dressed Bond girl look a like!
    So while Kate knew about the trip my sense is this little detail was left out. A sin of omission that really came back to bite him!
    Because when you leave out an innocent detail, it makes it look much more than it really was, like you're hiding something. And frankly thats also how this entire episode can be summed up. Because of his own actions William, who really did nothing, has put himself in a bad situation.

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    1. I agree with your possible reality. I too thought "what did he or didn't he tell her on the phone?". If he told her, she knew in advance and then was perhaps just embarrassed by how it came out in the media. If it was a sin of omission, not necessarily a lie, then that can be dangerous and plant small seeds of doubt.

      As another alternate, maybe they were playing Thomas's wingmen (if he isn't dating Sophie, Kate's friend). But it is perception, and like you have pointed out, how much William did or didn't tell her...and knowing paps were likely to capture some of his lads trip.

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    2. I think putting out alternate realities like this can be dangerous because people could mistake that for the truth when it is 100% speculation with a lot of fake facts. In this day in age, at least in the United States, fake news is a big problem and can start from comments like that.

      I don't agree, Anon 12:12 that the scenario is most common. People in solid marriages tell details that are important. That said, what transpired may not have been anything that was important enough to report. I'm not sure if I would have, not because I was hiding something, because it is such a non issue. Also, if I saw those photos in the papers of my spouse I wouldn't feel embarrassed.

      As I and another posted said above, there is a BIG difference between solid marriages and shaky marriages and people that aren't married. People that are in good marriages have a lot of trust so this situation wouldn't bother them at all. I really would be curious to see how the posters on this active post fall as far as "relationship status".

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    3. I don't know, Ellen... all this "solid" marriage qualifying is a bit disingenuous to me. Should you live in a state of jealousy and mistrust when you are married to a quality person? No. But many wrap themselves in the comfort of their "solid" marriage and don't acknowledge that every person is vulnerable in some way. I have seen it with married friends many times.

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  40. He's an entitled Prince. Even if he's a sweet guy, he's also a privileged guy who shows it sometimes. I don't know the intricacies of Will & Kate's relationship, but I do believe harmless flirting (if that's what the photos even showed) is inevitable and okay in marriages. I high-fived a male colleague the other day. The context, of course, is different. Will needs to be more careful with his image, which is public; he's likely suffered Kate's dissapoinment (re: this blind spot in behavior) before.

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  41. There was just so much poor judgment involved.

    Maybe it was friendly banter, BUT given everyone's knowledge of Prince Charles cheating on Diana, it makes you wonder if he's going to repeat his father's bad example some day. (Studies show you're much more likely to cheat on someone if your parent/s did it.) Kate trusted him enough to go on a boys' weekend and behave - he should've shown her more respect and not put himself in a position in plain sight of everyone that could be misconstrued.

    At some point, you need to grow up as a man and leave your immature friends behind, especially if you're happily married and want to stay that way. It's no secret that Guy Pelly et al are the party types. You're influenced by the 5 friends/people you spend the most time around, so I think he needs to re-evaluate his friendships in the near future. (Although I'm guessing it will be quite some time before he participates in such a trip again.)

    This smacks of some sort of quarter-life crisis, of trying to prove he's still "one of the guys" and not just a dad and husband. At least the lame dancing vid will humble him a bit!

    I feel for Kate. If my husband went out with the guys, I'd understand casual conversation with women in passing. I'd have a harder time writing off a sit-down lunch with them, boyfriends or not!

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    1. He definitely will be in the dog house for sure but Kate is not no shrinking violet she will I believe stand up for herself and I have a feeling we won't be seeing Wills with these old school chums that much in the future. Or she will be there with him.

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    2. Quarter life crisis??? He's like 35! When are we going to acknowledge that K and W are WELL into adulthood and treating them like they are still 25 is ridiculous! They bemoan all their responsibilities and slack off in every way possible.

      Someone posted about W's lack of "freedom". Give me a break! What his money and position has given him is all the freedom in the world.

      He needs to man up and stop acting like a spoiled boy.

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  42. Who wants to bet William will turn to Diana to save him? Add a stop in Paris somewhere to commemorate her death, a moment at the Alma perhaps? A visit to the hospital? After all it is the 20th Anniversary and that would consume the press and Drown out this storyline.
    I guess if your mother can't bail you out, who can!

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  43. All couples need to embark on a weekend with guys or in Kate's case a girls weekend. It perfectly fine & anyone who has had small children knows a break it a wonderful thing to do. To return home refreshed from time away is an appreciation for what one has.
    They need to ignore the press and enjoy their personal lives.

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    1. I am not sure of people just didn't read the blog and headed straight to the comments, or maybe skimmed in a hurry and missed the points I made. I don't have a problem with a boys weekend. I do have a problem saying "I need a boys weekend" and then seeking out the company of young, beautiful women with whom you have no connection. He didn't bump into Chelsy Davy on the slopes and invite her to lunch--that would be fine. He isn't breaking bread with peers, he is socializing with single strangers.

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    2. UPDATE: new video shows him putting his arm around a woman's waist at the club.

      Ruh-roh. Poor Kate!

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    3. The cherry on top of the "what were you thinking?!" Sundae

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    4. What!!!??? Are you sure AM? This is the beginning of the end and we're all seeing it:(

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    5. Wow. He's going to have to buy her a great pair of Kiki's to make up for this. How to mess up a really good thing.

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    6. Yep, it's true. Just saw the footage. It's apparent that the girl reached out to him first and speaks to him. He's obviously drunk and so I think the arm around the waist was more instinct to steady himself as he bends down to hear her. At least that's how it looked to me but still I'm just so shocked and disgusted that he was so stupid as to be in a club in the first place! Grow up and behave! Not becoming of a husband and father much less a future king!

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    7. Doesn't mean he did anything further (barring another video leak), but it's harder to call this appropriate - drunk or not.

      Agree with the above, Kate's going to get a really nice piece of jewelry out of this. And William's going to get an earful from her!

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    8. Agree that if you look at the whole interaction it seems totally innocent but yet again bad judgment to be in a position where someone could take a screenshot of him in a dark nightclub touching a woman other than his wife. Why give the press easy headlines?

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    9. His hand is on her waist.... if he needed to steady himself, there's her shoulder. The waist is a much more flirty move.

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    10. Anon 4:13 this has gone from questionable, to bad, to worse.

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  44. Oh Prince Wills shakes my head. I really don't think he did anything bad cause I honestly don't think he would mess up anything with Kate. However, he really needs a new group of friends cause it ain't college anymore and this frat boy attitude with mid-30 year old guys is really pathetic and makes you look like old farts. I have a feeling Kate will be laying down the law when he gets back but now I guess we now know why she really doesn't go out to these guy's society weddings. They are just rich about wealthy losers.

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  45. Fascinated to hear whether anyone's changed their opinions now that a new video does feature a mystery woman? I was in the "Kate is probably annoyed" camp before and now I'm starting the "Kate is probably angry" camp right over here.

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    1. I'm interested if anyone has changed their mind about Meghan Markles "lack of discretion" being an impediment to her fitting in with the discreet and proper W&K....

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    2. Ahh, Meghan... Personally, I like her. I think many Kate fans have been very mean to her. And it has been disappointing and sad. Least we forget that Kate was not seen by many *jerks* as being worthy of a prince. When I read some on here actually questioning whether Meg would, if married to Harry, "qualify" as a princess - I was disgusted.

      Sad to say, but scratch the surface of many a Kate fan and the real truth comes out.:(

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    3. Anonymous 4:14 I was in the "Kate is probably annoyed" and now am in the "Kate is probably angry". Kate is the only celebrity I follow and I really like her (and LOVE this blog, thank you Jane!). I'm surprised at how indignant I feel on her behalf. She is clearly devoted to her family and doesn't deserve a husband who is out acting like a fool. What is wrong with him?

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  46. In spite of the "wealth and privilege" that he was born into, William has always lived a very restricted life compared to you and I. And I know from personal experience living my life for everyone but me, it's only a matter of time before you crack.

    The royal box that surrounds him is tall, but the tabloid fence around it is even taller. It looks like he tried to step outside them last weekend, to experience a long-lost taste of freedom and good times with his friends. But in this age when everyone has a pocket video camera, and the price is right, William can never really break out of either of those barriers. Not even for a minute can he let his guard down. Not that he did anything wrong, it's only because neither tabloids nor their readers have any consideration for his individual needs as a human being.

    Thank God Catherine does.

    I seriously doubt he messed around with those "blondes", whose boyfriends were probably out on the slopes while they had lunch, then were simply invited to join-in the group's fun. Who would decline that offer?? I wouldn't. As for his dancing at that club, I think it's awesome. It's only natural to "go with the flow", and "be in the moment" in good times like that. It's like he doesn't have a care in the world--for a change.

    But unlike us, he's now got to pay for this stolen moment--in the court of public opinion anyway, thanks to tabloid spin. And that's just sad...

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    1. I sort of see what you mean Belle. While he has many advantages ordinary people don't have,  Will has to deal with the media and lives a "fishbowl existence" **at times** in ways ordinary people don't. However, I do think he showed exceedingly poor judgment and should have known better. Plus, I think if 4 "ordinary"  30-something men with professional "high visibility" jobs went on an ordinary brief beach/golf vacation without their wives and they just happened to be observed by some people from their community who knew them (or they were photographed in the background of a published shot) lunching and laughing it up with younger women they just met.. then that evening they went clubbing at the place where one of the women had a connection, all the while engaging in visible and fairly heavy alcohol consumption....it would not be at all unusual for those men to face both personal and professional consequences. (And if it had been 4 professional women vacationing, it likely would have been worse.)  Good grief, like it or not, these days people can and do lose jobs because they show poor judgment in facebook posts! So my sympathy for Will is somewhat lacking. He's not in his early 20's anymore. And I'm not inclined overall to blame the media for showing his behavior. Like it or not, that's what sometimes happens with a free press.


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  47. The sun exclusive just posted online. Apparently British tourists were also in the club and thought that guy looks like prince William but couldn't believe it. They started filming on their cell phone cos they said no one will believe this. They said there was no obvious security around and he was behaving as if he didn't care who saw him or noticed him. (Maybe too much booze?)
    They said he was doing a slut drop dance with a woman who they said was Sophie.
    Sorry I don't know what that is!

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    1. Slut drop dance... grinding your tush into someone else's front. Hmmm.... is this on video too?

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    2. Jumping in to say I've seen the tweet promoting their front page and claiming they have a video. So maybe they won't release video till tomorrow when paper comes out? Front page says "Sun exclusive: Prince shamed by embarrassing new video"
      Then below it says "prince dirty dances with 2 beauties and gyrates as model slut drops"
      There's a full pic of Sophie topless with her shorts open at top.
      That's all I've seen so far.
      I saw somewhere else that apparently people thought it was a prince william lookalike no one believed it could possibly be him. That says a lot about how he must have been behaving.

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    3. The slut drop is where you squat as low as you can go, then jump up. It's not a grind...

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    4. Part of it is grinding

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    5. I don't know what dance moves actually happened. But this link gives info about the "slut drop".


      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slut%20drop


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  48. I can't tell you how upset I am by all of this! Jane, your blog is among my favorites but to compare a human being, Kate, to a piece of furniture or a piece of art dehumanizes her. We are dehumanizing William as well. They are not cardboard cutouts! They are human beings and quite exemplary in my opinion. We shouldn't demonize and sexualize William's human contacts. It's the most natural thing in the world. Why must we put a lewd stamp on that? It's sickening to paint friendly contact in such a tawdry manner. Its very easy to get up on a high horse and act superior. Often the most adamant "finger pointers" are the very ones capable of indecencies. Jane, I wish you of all people (studying law no less) had come out with a strong stance of support for William and Kate. All the photographs in your article shows their devotion as a longstanding couple but your words did not do them justice.

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    1. First of all, the art point was a metaphor, not an objectifying comparison. Second, I worry that people seem unable to distinguish and appreciate that I can love and support the Cambridges and still say, here in this instance, William did a really dumb thing. I do support William and Kate and in light of this unfortunate weekend, fully expect William to make amends and for the two of them to move forward happily. I don't think he meant any harm, I am sure he is embarrassed, and I am sure he won't do it again. That's supportive. Unsupportive would be to say he is an ass and I hope Kate beats him with a wooden spoon when he gets home. You have to be able to distinguish between the person and the action, though, or you'd never be able to say this is wrong and this is right.

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    2. I guess the fundamental point I want to make is, I can love and support William and Kate, but that doesn't mean I have to lie and say I think this was ok. It wasn't. I don't think William did it on purpose, he was super drunk, and I don't think it will be a big deal moving forward, but I won't say it's ok. That isn't love or support. Love can be honest. I am being honest and supportive, frankly. I don't know how much more supportive I could be in this situation.

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    3. Jane, you have done a great job. I thought the passage about protecting what you value was especially beautiful. Your point being, you take extra caution to be tender and careful with it. That point was clear to me.

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    4. Jane I've come to the conclusion some super fans are in shock and don't know how to process it! Even many super fans here can see why this William thing is a problem, we just need to give the others time and space to process it lol.
      Don't strain yourself trying to explain because they're just not ready to listen.

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    5. Exactly, Jane. This is how love works, or should work, with family, close friends, etc.

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    6. Jane you are, as always, spot on with your analysis. We can love W&K and still point out when something is off. I love this blog not only because of the subject matter but also because you are such a talented writer.

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  49. I hate the term blondes used in this very negative way. It's horrible. If the ladies had been topless brunette or red head models, no one would be mentioning their hair color.


    blonde since birth

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    1. That is probably true, and as a brunette, I apologize. If it is any consolation, I think it is used to point out the superior sexiness of blondes...

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    2. That's kind of you, Jane, but I think it points to society's belief that blondes are hyper sexualized, always on the hunt, and dumb. The comments I have heard my whole life are proof. So, I tend to guard my behavior more than others.

      Blonde since birth

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    3. Well, definitely blondes have been sexualized by the media. I don't know that my perception of blondes is that they are on the hunt, but they are just the ideal glamorous woman. Thanks for pointing this out. I should be more sensitive and I will try to be more careful in the future! Even in this post, though, I sued blondes not to say these girls were on the hunt, but that they were glamorous. Just to be clear on that. But, I will try to do better in future.

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    4. Ditto, Jane. Blonde, tanned, and toned - what we think is a superior level of sexiness!

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    5. I think both of those women are "bottle" blondes, their eyebrows (and roots) are too dark.

      Belle Blonde by Birth

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  50. Ok, I think quite a lot of the analysis here, including mine, changes with the release of the newest video. William is quite obviously dancing and flirting with other women and while I don't think it's a sign that he's doing anything else with them, I do think it casts his behaviour in an even worse light than before. It's really all pretty disappointing on his part and frankly really surprising to anyone whose watched his obvious care for Kate over the course of their marriage...

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    1. I agree, Georgia. I don't think this means he had an affair, but this is beyond inappropriate and shameful for a man in a relationship...a married man...a married man with children.

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    2. A married man with children who knows he is a constant press interest who knows he is in a public place and who has seen his parents and aunts/uncles splashed all over front pages for their indiscreet behavior while married. When George and Charlotte grow up to see these headlines well that's on him.

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  51. Keep your chin up Jane! I have to chuckle again about people telling you who and what you are and what you should write about on your own blog. The same people telling reporters "it's time to move on". Well the audience is saying something quite different. This William story is everywhere online. I think because it's so out of his normal controlled character? I don't know. But it's not "gossipy" - it's news! This is Prince William! American readers - Imagine if we saw Barack Obama acting like this without Michelle! Come on! To be honest I feel like something is definitely going on with him that he was so drunk and disorderly in public. That he wasn't sober enough to see phones being held up to film him, or he was and just didn't care. VERY VERY out of character. Something is not right.
    And people being so nasty because it's being covered are maybe in shock themselves and can't process it! But their condescending attitude is making me see many people for their true selves. KP staff must be in the same shock.

    Well the next thing will be an interview with Sophie about her night with William, just wait. One she'll be highly paid for of course.

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    1. Anon 7:08 I think you raise an interesting point. While NOTHING excuses William of this behaviour, it is an interesting, mature consideration to see it from his perspective. Maybe they are going through a rough patch in their marriage, maybe he is struggling with the children not him being Kate's priority, maybe he is feeling suffocated by increased pressure from the BRF. I think we can practice this potential empathy with William while still holding him to account for his inappropriate/appalling behaviour.

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    2. You raise a good point Anon 7:08. There are many married world leaders under immense pressure who need to find ways to blow steam off and work through tough patches. So William has plenty of examples of how that can be done without making a spectacle. A normal guy might be able to do what he did but he's not in that position.

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    3. Well said Anon. Think how he freaks out if a pap takes his pic, I read at least five people had cameras up filming him. And william didn't notice? Or didn't care? It makes NO sense.
      So we now know he was drunk and disorderly and the normal control freak had no problem with people filming that. And people think we just need to move on. SMH. A lot more is going on.

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  52. JANE! Oh no!! Did you see the latest video??!! S**t. William has his hand on the waist of another woman, then she's holding his arm as he leans in. LINE CROSSED!!

    ~ A

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    1. Line crossed indeed! This is a totally unnecessary and undeserved humiliation for Kate. He owes her big time.

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    2. No wonder her hair is turning gray. Makes you wonder if there are other instances of indiscretion that have never made it to the public but that she has had to deal with privately.

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    3. Obviously Kate has three children to take care of. Really disappointing news.

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    4. Anon 7:59 that is what I have thought. And, also, will things like this (or worse) happen in the future, but we won't know because he has learned to be more discreet?
      It also makes you wonder what the Palace has successfully blocked in the past. I thought this was left behind when they broke up and got back together when they were dating...sheesh.
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    5. Anonymous, isn't that why they split up for six months years ago? Supposedly she was tired of his wandering eye. Old habits die hard?

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    6. Is this why they are so frequently cloistered in Norfolk? Because he can't be trusted to behave himself in places where his behavior might be seen by the public?

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    7. Girls I think "A" was being a bit of a smart a**. More than a little sarcastic.

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    8. There is also a picture of William with his arm around the male DJ!! omg, they'll be speculating that he's gay next!

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    9. Seriously Belle?!

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    10. A raging red line has been crossed. What is wrong with him? How old is he? I feel just terrible for Kate. How can he do this to her? Even if nothing happens the question of his faithfulness is now out there and will haunt her in the newspapers forever.

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    11. If you look at the "waist touching" video, from beginning to end, you'll see that he was trying really hard to get someone to come up and join him. Then he turns around, a guy and a girl are dancing beside him, she puts her hand on his back to say something, he leans down to listen, his hand goes to her waist--instead of her arm which was still up at his shoulder. Her hand lands on his arm, and they part.

      It all happens within a few seconds, just enough for tabloids to get a screen grab, and spin it as though he was dancing with his hand on her hip, but he wasn't.

      There is supposedly another video of him dancing with the two blonde women from lunch--who it turns out are employed by the resort. I'm sure negotiations are going on with the palace to keep that one out of the news. We'll see tomorrow I guess, but every resort has those "fun ambassadors", males and females who are paid to liven up the parties and keep things going--including teaching various dance moves.

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    12. Hahaha, Kim - Kate having to look after 'three' children sums it up nicely, and Belle, I think William gets a bit too hands-on when he's drunk. Oh dear, not a good look at all.

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    13. Anonymous 9:39, you hit the nail on the head. Rumors swirled about his infidelity when they were dating, but now there's proof he might not be the most faithful partner.

      Really feel for Kate. Bet she was looking forward to Paris. Now she'll have to grin & bear it. Not very romantic!

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  53. Jennifer from the SouthMarch 15, 2017 at 7:42 PM

    Wow watching The movie Jackie and noticing the marked difference between Jackie and Jack and Wills and Kate - Jackie and Jack had such a sense of duty at the young age - yes I know Jack was a cad when it came to women BUT he and his wife had such a sense of obligation to the country, to the church etc.

    I've also revised my opinion on William as the new videos are coming out - I've gone from thinking this is a scandal made out of circumstances to - there might really be a scandal and William might be who I've always thought he was - a cad who likes other women and Kate just has to put up with it to maintain her station. It's sad really that instead of this great family man he claims to be, he is appearing to be a scoundrel. Bless his heart.

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  54. His mother would have KICKED his butt! He had better never mention Diana again and how she inspires him until he seriously apologizes and grows up. S

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  55. This is my first time posting in the comments on this blog.....Jane, your post is brilliant, and SO well written. As the daughter of a father who was extremely protective of me, I've tried to read the comments from the perspective of Kate's father. My own father would have had something biting, incisive, and boundary-setting to say, were it my husband. I hope Kate's dad does the same. William's behavior appears immature to me, and the apparent lack of concern for what must have been obvious-to-them paparazzi calls William's judgement into question. Again, at least for me. I have *never* cottoned on to the "boys will be boys" mentality some think is okay, especially in our "advanced civilization" of 2017. William has a daughter - who might someday be married. He is modeling for her who she will choose. He needs to grow up. Quickly.

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  56. Mega Excellent post Jane! You do see things in a different way / light that others do!
    Agree 100% with what you said, it was a mistake so hopefully it will not happen again

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